Proposition 8: what’s really going on

October 28, 2008

Have you seen this ad?

Let me tell you something – spin-free – about what really happens.  As you probably know, I have a child that attends public elementary school.  Marriage – of any sort – is not part of the curriculum.  If they don’t teach gay marriage in San Francisco, is it really taught elsewhere? 

Our kids aren’t learning enough about Math, Science and basic literacy.  Our kids are almost exclusively taught to take the state standard tests (IE: STAR) and they can barely get that information covered.  Many schools have no art or P.E.  Where does this marriage education fit in?  Really!?!

Believe or disbelieve whatever you want about the commercials on TV, but as a parent with a child in public school you should NOT base your vote on Prop 8 on whether our poor, innocent children will be corrupted by images of all sorts of people making life-long, loving commitments to each other.   

Oh – and we mustn’t legislate your religious objections to the definition of a term, either.  “Marriage” is a legal agreement, like a Joint Venture in business, that just so happens to also be recognized religiously. 

Separation of church and state, people!

     – Love, a confirmed Lutheran who is active in her church



  1. OMG!!! I thought Arizona was bad. WTF is up with that kind of ad??? I don’t want to get started on this bull. A marriage is between two PEOPLE. A relationship is between two PEOPLE. I will continue to fight for gay rights. I supported it in the mid 70’s and I support it today. Gads.
    I bet you didn’t see HIM in the Castro Saturday night!

  2. Marriage classes?! That’s nearly as absurd as teaching creationism in biology/science classes!

    Forgive me if I’m mistaken but isn’t America constitutionally secular? Maybe they should look at France as a secular state….

    “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.” Jefferson

  3. Amen brother from across The Pond!

    Uh, this country is a result of the quest for religious freedom. The flipside to that is that government must be free from establishing religion. Check out the First Amendment. It makes it pretty clear.

    That leaves the definition of marriage to be a legal one. It’s contractual if you take all the hearts and flowers out of it (which is generally what happens any way in a marriage 😉 ). The Constitution also does not look kindly on discrimination.

    So how about we save a LOT of money determining the Constitutionality of this AGAIN and just vote OH HELL NO.

  4. You ever considered running for office? 😛

  5. I studied Political Science in college – but at the same time was busy disqualifying myself from ever holding office (by creating lots of blackmailable material)! hahaha

  6. Adult sexual preference should never come before the basic human rights a child has to a mother and a father. To systematically make motherless and fatherless children by making gay marriage an institution is wrong for children.

    Reasoning Behind France’s Rejection of Same Sex Marriage

    By John-Henry Westen

    MONTREAL, March 20, 2006 (LifeSiteNews.com) – In late January, a 30 member parliamentary commission of the French National Assembly published a 453 page Report on the Family and the rights of Children, which rejected same-sex marriage.

    DeSerres, told LifeSiteNews.com “Referring to the rights of children as a human rights issue, the report argued that children ‘now have rights and to systematically give preference to adult aspirations over respect for these rights is not possible any more.’”

    In the report, the commission says that “the child represents the future of society.” The commission asks legislators to make sure that “children, confronted with mutations in family models, be fully taken into account and not suffer from situations imposed upon them by adults.” It adds: “The interest of the child must take precedence over adults’ exercise of their freedom (…) including with regards to parents’ lifestyle choices.”

    The report also stresses that marriage; adoption and medically assisted reproduction are inseparable. The report thus, rules out homosexual adoption, and medically assisted reproduction for homosexual couples.

    “Based on the best interests of the child,” DeSerres told LifeSiteNews.com, “our Canadian Parliament must re-evaluate the definition of marriage in light of these new developments.” The Montréal based national movement has invited Members of Parliament from all parties to reconsider the definition of marriage by giving priority to the rights of the child, as France has done.

  7. That’s all fine and well beetlebabee… but if you’re going to take that stand you better make it unconstitutional to get divorced or to be parents out of wedlock. Will you also take care of the adopted children that would have been otherwise adopted by gay couples?

    And before you make any assumptions about me you should know that while I am a single parent, I am totally against the idea of people consciously choosing single parenthood. But I am categorically NOT against having two loving parents in a home and I don’t feel it is any one else’s business what the sex of those two parents are.

    I can’t speak to if the French or Canadian constitutions specifically addresses separation of church and state – but ours does.

    If judgmental adults never told children of gay families that their parents were “wrong” I’m pretty sure they would never feel that way.

    I welcome dissenting opinions here, but address where you feel **I** have gone wrong in my logic. Cutting and pasting generalities that have nothing to do with the subject of my post will not gather much respect for your input.

    So – tell me – how is marriage not a legal, contractual relationship?

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